under law. because epa found that these pollutants are an endangerment to public health, he is required under law to regulate them. he has no choice in the matter. he has to regulate them. >> do you see that happening, and, b -- i hear that but the think, the political blowback is -- i can only imagine what will happen on capitol hill and fox news if this happened. >> one thing that would be important is to look at who the next administrator will be. i think that will be the greatest indicator. >> of the epa. >> of the epa. lisa jackson has been a fierce warrior, she's put herself out there and taken a significant hit back. it will be important to see who the white house selects, what type of power and support they'll put behind that person. because i think the reality is, the hit from fox news and others, the litigation, cannot be not taken really seriously. >> it can't be -- the key point here is, it can't be defended by the administrator alone, right? >> right, right. >> if you're going to do it, the president and the white house has to stand and say -- >> one of the greatest challen
